The Frank Vaughan Podcast – August 21, 2017 – Antifa, Trudeau’s Latest Idiocy, The Racist Eclipse, And More… by FPV | Aug 21, 2017 | ARCHIVE, BROADCASTS | 3 comments http://www.frankvaughan.ca/podcast/Podcast082117.mp3Podcast: Play in new window | Download 3 Comments Joe on August 21, 2017 at 4:27 PM I think you’re wrong about “emotion” being the problem. Emotion is not the opposite of reason, nor does someone become irrational when they get emotional. You can be passionate and perfectly reasonable. The root of the problem isn’t that they’re emotional and therefore can’t be reasoned with, the problem is stupidity and vanity, certainly for these numbnuts like Antifa and BLM. Truth be told, that’s really the elephant in the living room, it’s a problem on all sides and probably why we are where we are. The more stupid and vain someone is the more emotional they appear, but they only appear that way. There are a whole bunch of psychological processes at work, everything from identity to response conditioning, and it really doesn’t help to reduce it “emotion vs reason” because that isn’t the case. There was a video I recall where a self-defense shooting instructor was talking about why women in his course were doing better than the men. He asserted that the difference was due to how men view what he called the three “Fs” – fighting, f@*king and firearms. Men seem to thing that anything related to the three “Fs” is innate to the male condition. In other words, because they have the “equipment”, they naturally know how to use it and use it well. It’s kind of the same thing with “thinking” in general. People think that because they “can” think, they do think and they do it well. That isn’t remotely the case. As with the three “Fs”, anyone who is really good at it learned it somewhere. Sure there are people with more or less talent for it than others, but people who are really good at it were taught, they had mentors and they learned it somewhere. Essentially, we’re trying to reason with people who don’t really have the capacity. The reality is that it has more to do with bullying or abuse than it does emotion vs reason. The situation seems to be following a textbook example of relationship abuse progression from ridicule to violence only at the group, or even national level. If that is indeed the pattern this is going to follow, then we are in a lot of trouble. Bullies and abusers aren’t about reason, they’re about submission and enablement. Reply FPV on August 22, 2017 at 11:07 AM Interesting perspective. I could see my way to changing my original argument to contain the word uncontrolled. Thus, uncontrolled, or unrestrained emotion. But emotion is a problem. Institutions are churning out radicals who are being told that if they don’t like something all they need to do is scream louder, hit harder, and shut it down. If you can’t win with intellect, go to emotional outrage. If one spends even an hour on Youtube watching Antifa do their thing, all they have is outrage and anger (i.e. uncontrolled emotion). Clearly, a lack of reason tempering these emotional responses is a huge piece of the problem. I would also argue that passion and emotion are not entirely the same thing. You are not wrong: Bullying and oppression are an outgrowth of this issue, no matter how you define it. I know that it is a problem on both “sides” as it were, however, one side is being enabled by the oligarchs, politicians, and so called intelligentsia. When you allow one sides irrationality to flower, while condemning singularly the other side, indeed, it is a troubled road for all to walk. Thank’s, Joe, for taking the time to write. I hope you do so again: It is a welcome break from the unrelenting sea of spam. Reply Joe on August 22, 2017 at 1:03 PM I think that’s much more appropriate take the emotional aspect. But again, it comes to the question “Is it the emotion, or the unchecked emotion that’s the problem?” Take for example a “spoiled brat” – contrary to the myth, it’s something most bullies and abusers actually are – They aren’t emotional, they aren’t very rational either which is why their arguments and assertions are usually garbage, but what they’ve learned through family and institutional conditioning is if their rational isn’t immediately accepted then throw a tantrum and increase the magnitude until they get what they want. And contrary to what we like to think, our current society has a very high tolerance for that behavior depending on who is doing it. Bullies are all alike, there is one key element that you have to remove to stop their behavior: safety. They will continue to do what they do as long as it’s safe. That means very specifically as long as they are in no danger from the defense or retaliation from their victims, and/or being held to account afterward by the authority. This is where you’re absolutely right: bullies on one side i.e. violent hate groups on the “right” have been clamped down on since the 80s at least and are politically and culturally non-existent as a result, while bullies on the other i.e. violent hate groups like BLM and Anti-fa have been given a pass and even encouraged. Much like in domestic violence if the perpetrator is a woman, we justify it, rationalize it, explain it away instead of rightly condemning it. It also seems to be a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself. To borrow an axiom from one of my MBA professors, the problem is not that the manager is an idiot, the problem is how the idiot manager got to be a manager. Until you fix the problem, you’re simply going to replace one idiot manager with another idiot manager. If we would simply apply our “hate” laws to everyone, even “not white” “not Christians” then none of this would be happening. In addition, if we would stop caving to certain groups efforts to have everything they don’t like labelled “hate speech” or any other trendy “ist”, “ism”, or “phobe” villain, we wouldn’t be here either. So, the problem isn’t that there is a double standard, the problem is why. I have my own theory as to why that’s the case, but I’d be curious to hear yours first. As far as the problem on both sides, I’m thinking of the fun you’ve been having with the “Sheerbots” as I think you called them. One there’s an irrational hatred for Quebecers, and two, they didn’t seem to be too responsive to your rational arguments either. I’ve found a similar tendency since I crossed the floor on the gun-control issue. Being on the pro-control side and disagreeing with them or pointing out an error in fact or logic is a frigging nightmare compared to doing the same on the pro-gun side, but there are still irrational, nonsensical, emotional, “how dare you!?!” responses. It’s still there, it’s just a different magnitude. I also find that the “emotion vs reason” is used too often as a cop-out on the pro-gun side for bad tactics. Reply Submit a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.